Karate v UFC

od **otaro** » stř 23. zář, 2009 21:27

tie odkazy dosvedcuju triadu: test-negativny-suspendovany, co som nikdy nevyvracal. Je to presne to co vravim-UFC si na to potrpi. Nic o tvojom strasidelnom prekryvani steroidov tam nepisu.
Coleman a Kerr fundovana odpoved: AS. Kerr bol v UFC naposledy v 97 roku. Coleman v 99, potom ked sa vratil v 2009 to je ten spominany zapas s Shogunom, ktory oplakavam. Hovorime o sucastnej situacii, j? Tvoja kardinalna otazka- to neviem. Vo vahovych kategoriach po middle weight, mozno light heavy tam nie su nake hory svalov. (samozrejme odhliadnuc od toho, ze steroidy nesluzia len na objemy a tuk) Pri heavy mozes mat pravdu, ale ako Hellas vravi - musia na to ist dost premyslene a zrejme nie v takej miere.

od **defendu** » stř 23. zář, 2009 21:31

Ti hoši prostě SYPOU.... :!:

Můžete si myslet co chcete,může se vám to nelíbit,nemusíte s tim souhlasit,ale nic to nemění na tom,že 99% vašich miláčků a idolů prostě bere svinstva "jen proto,aby uspěli tzn. vydělali prachy"...je to jako s "plavkovýma manekýnama s načerněnýma ksichtama" prostě kulturistama.

Mimochode...ani vcelku "běžný" růstový hormon (GH),který byl zadržen např u Stallona v Austrálii,když propagoval posledního Rockyho,se prakticky v krvi ani v moči nedá identifikovat a to ani speciálníma antidop. testama :wink:

od **Jian** » stř 23. zář, 2009 21:37

otaro: tak alespon k tomu prekryvani se muzu vyjadrit ja - pochopitelne to lze (zalezi jak ma kdo hluboke znalosti z biochemie), procez se na seznam nepovolenych prostredku take dostavaji i zalezitosti, ktere vlastne k primemu dopingu vubec neslouzi (tusim trebas Finasterid, maskujici perfektne testosteron uzivany uz naopak schvalne a prave za ucelem dopingu).

od **otaro** » stř 23. zář, 2009 21:47

Jian píše:otaro: tak alespon k tomu prekryvani se muzu vyjadrit ja - pochopitelne to lze (zalezi jak ma kdo hluboke znalosti z biochemie), procez se na seznam nepovolenych prostredku take dostavaji i zalezitosti, ktere vlastne k primemu dopingu vubec neslouzi (tusim trebas Finasterid, maskujici perfektne testosteron uzivany uz naopak schvalne a prave za ucelem dopingu).

konecne nieco zajimave. Mozes to opisat trocha detajlnejsie? moze byt aj sz kedze sme asi uz dost OT

od **marcelo** » stř 23. zář, 2009 22:03

otaro píše:tie odkazy dosvedcuju triadu: test-negativny-suspendovany, co som nikdy nevyvracal. Je to presne to co vravim-UFC si na to potrpi. Nic o tvojom strasidelnom prekryvani steroidov tam nepisu.
Coleman a Kerr fundovana odpoved: AS. Kerr bol v UFC naposledy v 97 roku. Coleman v 99, potom ked sa vratil v 2009 to je ten spominany zapas s Shogunom, ktory oplakavam. Hovorime o sucastnej situacii, j? Tvoja kardinalna otazka- to neviem. Vo vahovych kategoriach po middle weight, mozno light heavy tam nie su nake hory svalov. (samozrejme odhliadnuc od toho, ze steroidy nesluzia len na objemy a tuk) Pri heavy mozes mat pravdu, ale ako Hellas vravi - musia na to ist dost premyslene a zrejme nie v takej miere.

No ja myslim ze my obaja sme vycerpali temu do uplneho dna,v podstate si s tebou uz nemam co povedat a budem sa snazit na teba nereagovat..tato kvazi akademicka debata o shite mi nic nedava..

V podstate si dokazal ze viem o tom prd a paranoidne si vymyslam,klamem atd a atleti z UFC su cisty,geneticky disponovana elita sveta kt. papa proteinove kokteily a tycinky,zerie mumio a vceliu kasicku a to ich tak spickovo regeneruje :wink:

Este nakoniec by ma zaujimalo od pana Chytreho ako to stihaju taky objem treningu uregenerovat,kazdy kto nema kulo v hlave ,tak sa musi dovtipit ze beznou cestou je to nemozne..takze ako..???

od **otaro** » čtv 24. zář, 2009 6:15

pozeram ze mas zvlastnu potrebu obuvat sa. Pekne setko pomazkat..?

. Regenerovat potrebuju skor klby po pakach. V tomto bode na argumentaciu by som musel mat viac info o tej chemii. Suhlasim s ukoncenim debaty, ale s tym kulom v hlave si si to mohol odpustit.

od **Jian** » čtv 24. zář, 2009 9:41

otaro: abych rozvedl ten puvodni priklad - rekneme, ze nekdo ma alopecii v androgenni forme, coz v praxi neni nic jineho, nez normalne plesaty chlap. Muze za to dihydrotestosteron, ktery vznika pod vlivem jisteho konkretniho enzymu. A leky jako Finasterid nebo Dutasterid jsou vlastne synteticke inhibitory toho enzymu. Ted je problem v tom, ze ackoliv ani jeden z nich nedokaze rozhodne nejak zlepsovat fyzicku a vykonnost, tak prave diky mechanismu jejich pusobeni se zamaskuji priznaky vedouci za normalnich okolnosti k rozpoznani toho, ze nekdo do sebe schvalne cpe anabolika (ktera se stejne jako dihydrotestosteron odvozuji prave od testosteronu).

Na druhe strane - pokud budes konzumovat Finasterid a nakombinujes ho s takovym nandrolonem, tak dojde k chemickemu procesu jehoz vysledky te asi docela neprijemne zaskoci (Finasterid totiz zablokuje konverzi nandrolon- norDHT a zdaleka nejvic na to doplati korinky vlasu).

Co jsem ale nekdy pred rokem cetl, tak "druha strana" samozrejme take nespi na vavrinech a i u inhibitoru alfa-reduktazy se uz da nejakym specialnim testem rozpoznat, zda je nekdo basti soucasne s androgennimi steroidy, nebo opravdu jen kvuli alopecii.

od **otaro** » čtv 24. zář, 2009 11:19

Jian: Nenasiel som ci Nevada athl. comm. robi ten test inhibitorov alfa-reduktazy, ktory spominas. Mozes sa vyjadrit k tymto stanovam ak budes mat cas /ako a ci sa daju prekryvat, popripade co tam chyba atd:
NAC 467.850 Administration or use of alcohol, stimulants, drugs or injections; urinalysis or chemical tests; disciplinary action. (NRS 467.030)
1. The administration of or use of any:
a) Alcohol;
b) Stimulant; or
(c) Drug or injection that has not been approved by the Commission, including, but not limited to, the drugs or injections listed in subsection 2,
in any part of the body, either before or during a contest or exhibition, to or by any unarmed combatant, is prohibited.
2. The following types of drugs, injections or stimulants are prohibited pursuant to subsection 1:
(a) Afrinol or any other product that is pharmaceutically similar to Afrinol.
(b) Co-Tylenol or any other product that is pharmaceutically similar to Co-Tylenol.
(c) A product containing an antihistamine and a decongestant.
(d) A decongestant other than a decongestant listed in subsection 4.
(e) Any over-the-counter drug for colds, coughs or sinuses other than those drugs listed in subsection 4. This paragraph includes, but is not limited to, Ephedrine, Phenylpropanolamine, and Mahuang and derivatives of Mahuang.
3. The following types of drugs or injections are not prohibited pursuant to subsection 1, but their use is discouraged by the Commission:
(a) Aspirin and products containing aspirin.
(b) Nonsteroidal anti-inflammatories.
4. The following types of drugs or injections are approved by the Commission:
(a) Antacids, such as Maalox.
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(d) Antihistamines for colds or allergies, such as Bromphen, Brompheniramine, Chlorpheniramine Maleate, Chlor-Trimeton, Dimetane, Hismal, PBZ, Seldane, Tavist-1 or Teldrin.
(e) Antinauseants, such as Dramamine or Tigan.
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(k) Ear products, such as Auralgan, Cerumenex, Cortisporin, Debrox or Vosol.
(l) Hemorrhoid products, such as Anusol-HC, Preparation H or Nupercainal.
(m) Laxatives, such as Correctol, Doxidan, Dulcolax, Efferyllium, Ex-Lax, Metamucil, Modane or Milk of Magnesia.
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(o) The following decongestants:
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(3) Any other decongestant that is pharmaceutically similar to a decongestant listed in subparagraph (1) or (2).
5. An unarmed combatant shall submit to a urinalysis or chemical test before or after a contest or exhibition if the Commission or a representative of the Commission directs him to do so.
6. A licensee who violates any provision of this section is subject to disciplinary action by the Commission. In addition to any other disciplinary action by the Commission, if an unarmed combatant who won or drew a contest or exhibition is found to have violated the provisions of this section, the Commission may, in its sole discretion, change the result of that contest or exhibition to a no decision.

[Athletic Comm’n, § 54, eff. 4-25-78]—(NAC A 12-13-82; 12-2-97; R058-05, 12-29-2005)

Takze aj alkohol :!:

Fedor

. To je setko co som nasiel. Je to z roku 05, mohlo sa to uz zmenit. Inak Jian vdaka za normalne (nemarcelovske)info.

od **marcelo** » čtv 24. zář, 2009 11:30

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h5Psp_Fq7w highlight Lyota Machidu

od **RUNAR** » pát 25. zář, 2009 8:52

No vida, taky něco k tématu

Něco z rozhovorů:

Yoshizo Machida:
Our style is different, you see that the guys are from Kickboxing, Jiu-Jitsu, and our is really like the old Karate, we’ve shown them our Karate.......

He really trained for three months, but mainly trained Karate, hit bag a lot, the makiwara... He trains a lot of basement, and I think the success is this. Everything that we used there was Karate stroke, the kick, the punch...

Lyoto:

Question – Before the KO(Evans), there was a moment when you dropped him on the mat with a left kick and a left punch. Was that a Mawashi Geri?

LYOTO – Yes. It was a Mawashi Geri, followed by an Oi Zuki.

Téma je Karate v UFC ne?

od **otaro** » pát 25. zář, 2009 11:25

RUNAR píše:No vida, taky něco k tématu

Něco z rozhovorů:

Yoshizo Machida:
Our style is different, you see that the guys are from Kickboxing, Jiu-Jitsu, and our is really like the old Karate, we’ve shown them our Karate.......

He really trained for three months, but mainly trained Karate, hit bag a lot, the makiwara... He trains a lot of basement, and I think the success is this. Everything that we used there was Karate stroke, the kick, the punch...

Lyoto:

Question – Before the KO(Evans), there was a moment when you dropped him on the mat with a left kick and a left punch. Was that a Mawashi Geri?

LYOTO – Yes. It was a Mawashi Geri, followed by an Oi Zuki.

Téma je Karate v UFC ne?

jj. sory. Jian ak budes reagovat na predch. post tak v SZ. Dik. Inak neviem ci to tu bolo povedane- George st. Pierre drzitel welterweight titulu sa hlasi tiez ku karate-kyokushin. To su uz dvaja z piatich :!:

sampinov UFC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCnmb0mhU-Y

od **RUNAR** » pát 25. zář, 2009 12:01

Otaro:
Těžko říct s tím GSP ale Kyokushin dělal a určo ho i ve fightech používá, kopání atd.

od **otaro** » pát 25. zář, 2009 12:19

machida na GSP :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6XvoTwmqnE

od **RUNAR** » ned 04. říj, 2009 8:48

No a máme tu dalšího a tím je Antonio Carvalho:

Antonio Carvalho píše:My main trainer is Professor Shah Franco. He is the man. He is a sixth degree black belt in Shotokan Karate and was a world champion in that. He also has a black belt in BJJ under Professor Sylvio Behring. Shah’s stand-up skills are amazing.

Antonio Carvalho píše:In 2000, I met my current teacher Shah Franco. He was an affiliate of Sylvio Behring from Brazil. So I began to train in both BJJ and Judo for a while and eventually stuck to BJJ only. That's when we formed the Franco..Behring team. Shah also happened to be a Shotokan Karate world champion and began training me in striking as well. So as I was training in BJJ, he would teach me about striking. So essentially, my two main styles are BJJ and Shotokan Karate.

Téma je Karate v MMA né?

od **otaro** » ned 04. říj, 2009 10:27

fred ettish a jeho "ciste" karate. :roll:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwKPMEiiobk&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/user/cfwckt · od **luen** » ned 04. říj, 2009 10:37

otaro píše:fred ettish a jeho "ciste" karate. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwKPMEiiobk&NR=1

ale to snad ani nebyl karatista, neumi kopnout, bouchnout - totalni lamka :roll:

Silne mi to pripomina tohle:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_vvI26NnwE

od **RUNAR** » ned 04. říj, 2009 10:53

Ty jo....no to ale bylo Karáčo, ten černoch ale taky snad dělal nějaký "Karate"

od **RUNAR** » čtv 08. říj, 2009 10:55

Vitor Belfort dostal modrej pásek v gymu JKA Shotokan Karate maestra Yasutaka Tanaka za to jak hezky cvičí Karate:

http://www.tatame.com/2009/10/05/Vitor-Belfort-earns-Karate-blue-belt

Jeho příští soupeř bude Anderson Silva.

od **hellas** » čtv 08. říj, 2009 12:12

RUNAR píše:Vitor Belfort dostal modrej pásek v gymu JKA Shotokan Karate maestra Yasutaka Tanaka za to jak hezky cvičí Karate:

http://www.tatame.com/2009/10/05/Vitor-Belfort-earns-Karate-blue-belt

Jeho příští soupeř bude Anderson Silva.

Toho bude tím páskem škrtit?

od **RUNAR** » čtv 08. říj, 2009 12:31

Hellas:
No to jsi nějak popletl....škrtí se přeci BJJ páskem, Karate páskem se knockne soupeř bez jedinýho škrábnutí na vlastním ksichtě. :idea:

Takovej starej mazák jako ty by tohle měl vědít ne?

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