Moderátor: Picard
RUNAR píše:patrik píše:Džigen rjú kendžucu
Zajímavý.....prý to byl styl Satsuma samurajů, co se učili mistři Shorin Karate z kterýho vychází Shotokan.
Nevíte někdo víc o tomhle stylu kendžucu?
There is a qualitative difference between hitting the tire and a bundle of branches. The tire rebounds in a way that requires a tightening of the body to maintain form that is somewhat different from that required to use a sword effectively as a weapon. Therefore, it is a great exercise, but because of it's effect on technical skill, should be regarded as 'bodybuilding." The bundle of branches, however, in addition to the rebound, has a "give" to it that develops technique in a quite different way.
From the precepts of Jigen-ryu, at least, the films of Ueshiba Morihei and disciples show him to be missing an essential component of this training. Ueshiba strikes the branches at varying points. Jigen-ryu practitioners, moving from various ma-ai, always hit the same point. This reflects the "gokui" - I think it's called "tombo no kurai." In any event, the image is a dragonfly on a post - it "instantaneously flies off and hovers and then lands again, each time moving to a varying distance but invariably without hesitation alighting on the same point. Jigen-ryu is criticized as being technically limited (one technique - kesa giri), but their specialty is in a combination of intense kiai (not just the scream - but absolute committment to cut the target, no matter what is in the way) and perfect development of ma-ai. At least in the films of Osensei at Iwama, he is neglecting these vital components of training and seems to be using the bundle of sticks just as an exercise tool.
(I'm aware that something else entirely might have been occuring, from misogi to California style bioenergetic therapy - hitting the sticks instead of a pillow Wink , but that's what is observable.)
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There are two extant types of Jigen-ryu. The Togo-ha was primariy samurai - they specialize in striking an upright post or tree. The Yakumaru-ha was ashigaru (conscript foot-solider) and they specialize in the yokogi-uchi (hitting the bundle of sticks). Both are on video tape as part of the Budokan series. As far as I know, these can be acquired from Peter Boylan and also from BudoVideos (don't have the URLs off the top of my head). Beware if your image of kenjutsu is the graceful give-and-take of Katori Shinto-ryu. You will find Jigen-ryu somewhat different.
patrik píše:Mno já to info, co postuješ znám.
Už jsem se k němu dostal dříve, protože jsem psal o zbraních jako džó na Okinawě a právě ta souvislost s Džigen rjú tam byla. Tehdy to někdo (Meik Skoss myslím) zpochybňoval na e-budo asi, že Džigen rjú džó nemá v osnovách. Mě osobně jde spíš o to, zda šlo právě o Džigen rjú pro "karatisty". Prostě jestli nebyl problém se společenským postavením. Proto je taky dobrý vědět v jakém období k vzájemnému kontaktu došlo... Jestli byl "šlechtic" klidně se k tomu dostat mohl. Nevím vůbec, kdy vzniklo Šorin rjú karate atd. Ale to je jedno, bylo by jedině dobře, kdyby se nějaká souvislost objevila.
Picard píše:.......
Kendó - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho4T-_8V ... 1&index=82 (je tam pár drobných chyb a taky by to mohlo být úplnější, třeba se tam vůbec nezmíní že v Kendó se taky cvičí kata)
Iaidó - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbVpWhol ... playnext=1
(ta pasáž jak tam N. Pettas útpčí na Kishimoto senseje je už trochu opravdu "divadýlkovnější" a imho trochu zbytečná)
Kjúdó - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bf8J1IJX ... playnext=1
Aikidó - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKqiFNGX ... playnext=1
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